SF Giants prospects position preview chat with Wrenzie & Marc: Catcher

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SF Giants 2020 first-round pick Patrick Bailey at the alternate site in Sacramento last summer. (Kelley L Cox-USA TODAY Sports) /

Around the Foghorn is excited to welcome Wrenzie Regodon to the team as a new contributor. Many fans will know him from his previous work over on the Giant Prospective Blog, Prospects Worldwide, and his Patreon. You can follow him on Twitter @GiantProspectiv.

To kickoff Wrenzie’s prospect coverage, he and co-site expert Marc Delucchi are beginning a series of chats to discuss the players in the SF Giants farm system at each position. They got things started behind the plate, discussing the franchise’s catcher.

SF Giants prospects position-by-position chat: Catcher (Part 1)

Marc Delucchi: Hey Wrenzie! First of all, welcome to the team! I’m really excited to bring you aboard and can’t wait to work together and coordinate some great work on the draft and Giants prospects in the coming month.

Wrenzie Regodon: I’m excited to be a part of this! It’s a long time coming.

Marc: Alright so let’s not bury the lede. Joey Bart and Patrick Bailey are the two “stars” of this group. How do you compare and contrast the two?

Wrenzie: They look oh so similar, right? Both from the ACC, both of them have power in their game, both have the defensive chops to play at the position for a long time. The most obvious contrast between the two is that Bailey can hit left-handed while Bart, but it really comes back to plate approach.

Last year, Bart didn’t look good out there at the big-league level, while Bailey started to shift towards that OBP-SLG approach that the Giants do look for. It will be an interesting thing to talk about for years to come (assuming both stay with the Giants).

M: Agreed. While Bart was considered the better prospect out of college, I actually much preferred Bailey’s prospect profile at the time of the draft. Bailey struck out less, walked more, and was far more consistent as an amatuer. Of course, Bart took a huge step forward his junior year, something the Giants have clearly tended towards. Of course, Bart’s minor-league and spring training performances (this year and last) both put him noticeably ahead for me.

W: Yep. Bart’s definitely looked like “the man” when he was playing against minor leaguers. In the squat, he is in charge out there. At the plate, he is a threat to go deep in every single time. Last year did not look good. But I said it before and I’ll say it again, Bart is not ready yet. His hit tool is not advanced, like Buster Posey coming out of college.

Bart’s disappointing 2020 definitely stirred the pot rather uncontrollably from the outside looking in. I would still have Bart over Bailey but it can definitely change once we see Bailey play in competitive games or if Bart’s struggles carry over this season.

M: Yeah, Bailey is weird because as good as the numbers were in college there are still real concerns about how his hit tool would translate to pro ball. It’s obviously too little to draw any conclusions, but he has not looked great this spring.

Let’s simplify this, though, if Bart and Bailey meet expectations (don’t exceed or regress) what kind of players do you think they are?

W: Bailey’s first two years in NC State would not tell you that he is a power-over-hit guy but a couple of swing changes later and boom, he is. For Bart, it feels like it’s still close to an All-Star caliber player, while Bailey should still be a league-average starter.

M: I’m a bit lower on both of them than you are. I tend to lean more into hit than power tools, but there’s no doubt some Gary Sanchez-type upside for Bart exists. I think right now, though, I expect him to be a 18-22 HR guy with a .245/.320/.480 triple-slash. For Bailey, there is just so much unknown. His 50th percentile outcome is probably more like .220/.320/.420 with 12-15 homers for now. I think he’ll walk more than Bart, which will give him more latitude if his hit tool doesn’t develop as well, but I don’t see close to the same power upside.

W: Yep, I agree with those stat lines. But for me, I kind of look at catchers as how they are on the field, the “intangibles” of the position. The ability to handle a pitching staff, the ability to play through the wear and tear at the position.

My big worry for me about Bart is that he struggled building rapport with the pitchers in the rotation last year. The most well-known case is that he struggled to catch Johnny Cueto. And this is the guy who was catching these players in the intrasquads so you have to think that he will be ready once he gets called up this year (we know he’s coming up). Sorry I went on a bit of a tangent there.

M: All good. I totally agree actually on that end. Bart has all the tools to be an above-average or elite defender and my biggest questions at this point are about his ability to form a rapport with pitchers and do it well consistently.

First-base coach Alyssa Nakken #92 of the SF Giants bumps fists with Ricardo Genoves #91 after he walks during the sixth inning of the MLB spring training baseball game against the Los Angeles Angels at Tempe Diablo Stadium on March 11, 2021, in Tempe, Arizona. (Photo by Ralph Freso/Getty Images) /

SF Giants prospects position-by-position chat: Catcher (Part 2)

M: Moving attention away from those guys, let’s play a little over/under game. Do you think there are currently more or less than 2.5 future everyday catchers currently in the Giants minor-league system?

W: I like this game. Right now, I am taking the over. Ricardo Genoves will be the third guy. Even if he does not have an average impact offensively, I am sure his defense can play at the big league level, albeit for a different team unfortunately with the kind of depth that the organization has at the position. When the Giants released their Spring Training catching videos on YouTube, it was Genoves who I was the most amazed with his defensive chops, even more than Bart or Bailey.

I actually think there is a fourth in Adrian Sugastey, but we can probably talk about him more later if you want to.

M: Haha, we are on the same page here. Honestly, for me, the over/under is probably 3.5, but I’m higher on the other catchers than most. I’m really curious to see Genoves, Sugastey, and Rayner Santana this year because I think the gap between them and Bart/Bailey might be a lot smaller than we realize because they just have not gotten the same exposure.

Santana is definitely going to have an uphill battle to sticking defensively, but he has some strong offensive potential too. I think one of Genoves, Sugastey, and Santana end up among the system’s top-ten prospects by the end of the year.

W: Oh yeah, I am intrigued with the young catchers that the system offers. I have Sugastey as the 22nd best prospect in my top 30 and the highest-ranked prospect from the loaded 2019 international FA class. He’s someone that I think can blossom to a really good prospect three or four years from now.

He’s hit in his teenage years, he’s posted an exit velocity of 112 MPH in games as a teenager, he is very athletic, has a plus arm, and is agile behind the dish. That my friend is a really exciting collection of tools as a catcher. If there is a top 10 prospect among those three that you mentioned, I’m betting my money on Sugastey.

My worry about Santana is his body ages into his mid-to-late-20s. He does also have tremendous power and arm strength. A bit sloppy behind the plate at the moment so that’s why he’s seeing time in other positions, but catchers do develop rather slowly as they learn the nuances of the position. It’s all a matter of Santana developing enough to play the position.

Auburn’s Garrett Wade (40) throws the ball to Auburn’s Rankin Woley (4) before Alabama’s Brett Auerbach (7) makes it to first base during the Auburn-Alabama Capital City Classic at Riverfront Park in Montgomery, Ala., on Tuesday, March 26, 2019. Alabama defeated Auburn 6-3. The SF Giants signed Auerbach as a NDFA last summer. /

SF Giants prospects position-by-position chat: Catcher (Part 3)

M: Are there any other catchers in the system that you’re intrigued by? Brett Auerbach is a fun swiss-army knife to me just because of his contact skills and defensive versatility.

W: Auerbach is an interesting one. Kind of an OBP machine in college. He shed his strikeouts last year while retaining the strong walk rate. Hard contact guy but does not have much power. His defensive versatility is probably his best tool. He’s going to be a fun guy to watch heading to 2021 to just see how many positions he plays.

There are a couple of young Latino catchers that are deep sleepers in my opinion. Onil Perez is one of the more polished catchers that I have seen defensively, with a very refined catch-and-throw skill and plus arm strength to boot. His bat might not make a huge impact but we could be talking about him again in a few years. He is part of the aforementioned 2019 IFA signing class.

The other one is Angel Guzman. He is an athlete that worked his butt off during the quarantine and is in great shape. He’s applying the newer techniques with the semi-kneeled set-up. He is still rough around the edges on both sides of the ball (his swing still looks rough) but the athleticism is tantalizing enough to think that there’s plenty of room for him to improve.

M: Alright this has already been a great first chat. I can’t wait to have these discussions with you about every position in the Giants system. Before we end the chat, a simple yes or no question, do you agree with my positional rankings? Is catcher the strongest position in the farm system, or do you lean in a different direction?

W: I would say no. I still think in terms of absolute depth, it’s the outfield and I am sure we will talk about them A LOT down the line!

M: We definitely will. I think we can wrap it up now. Which position should we talk about next time?

W: I think infielders are the next best one to talk about. Do you want to chop it up in two (corner IF, middle IF) or talk about them position by position?

M: Yeah let’s do the corner infield next week.

W: Sweet! Time to hype up Casey Schmitt then! Haha

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M: Awesome! I’m really excited to have you aboard to talk prospects. I always love to hear your opinion on different players.

W: Thanks for chatting! Having to talk about Giants prospects in their most prosperous time since the late-2000s is certainly fun. I’m glad to finally be a part of the ATF team.

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